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Old 10-18-2009, 05:10 AM   #1
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Default "weighted" stats for Forbidden Ninja

OK, so this is the concept, take all of the FN stats and factor in their 200, 400 & 800 abilities and see which come out better.

note on process: I took the starting stats of each FN and then added all the +TAI/NIN/STA/RES that their abilities have to come up with new "weighted" stats. I then factored in stat growth as normal and came up with average attack at 10 level intervals (1,10,20,30,40).

Also, some abilities have +ATK. For those, I first figure the average attack (TAI+NIN/2) and then add the +ATK last.

for those that don't have any +ATK I used +00 ATK, just to try an keep everything a little easier to read.

I'll present them from highest avg. atk at lvl 40 to lowest. in case of ties I repeat the number.


1. Itachi
16 TAI+2 / 98 NIN+5 / +03 ATK / 44 STA+1.3 / 10 RES+1.3
60/92/127/162/197

2. Rock Lee
93 TAI+6 / 13 NIN+1 / +00 ATK / 51 STA+1.3 / 35 RES+1.3
53/85/120/155/190

3. Neji
59 TAI+4 / 39 NIN+3 / +03 ATK / 50 STA+1.3 / 48 RES+1.3
52/84/119/154/189

4. Kimimaro
68 TAI+5 / 13 NIN+2 / +11 ATK / 48 STA+1.3 / 50 RES+1.3
52/83/118/153/188

5. Sakura
53 TAI+6 / 14 NIN+1 / +15 ATK / 53 STA+1.3 / 45 RES+1.3
48/80/115/150/185

6. Haku
04 TAI+2 / 63 NIN+5 / +14 ATK / 49 STA+1.3 / 34 RES+1.3
48/79/114/149/184

6. Naruto
13 TAI+4 / 54 NIN+3 / +14 ATK / 41 STA+1.3 / 43 RES+1.3
48/79/114/149/184

7. Orochimaru
12 TAI+1 / 80 NIN+6 / +00 ATK / 60 STA+1.3 / 30 RES+1.3
46/78/113/148/183

8. Sasuke
07 TAI+3 / 64 NIN+4 / +10 ATK / 42 STA+1.3 / 20 RES+1.3
46/77/112/147/182

8. Tsunade
37 TAI+5 / 53 NIN+2 / +00 ATK / 61 STA+1.3 / 56 RES+1.3
45/77/112/147/182

9. Sasori
08 TAI+2 / 53 NIN+5 / +14 ATK / 72 STA+1.3 / 20 RES+1.3
45/76/111/146/181

10. Jaraiya
42 TAI+3 / 35 NIN+4 / +05 ATK / 50 STA+1.3 / 30 RES+1.3
44/75/110/145/180

11. Yondaime
13 TAI+4 / 69 NIN+3 / +00 ATK / 33 STA+1.3 / 32 RES+1.3
41/73/108/143/178

12. Gaara
12 TAI+1 / 66 NIN+6 / +00 ATK / 72 STA+1.3 / 32 RES+1.3
39/71/106/141/176


So there you have it, there is a difference between the FN.

of course always keep in mind that they have different starting seals and that some are more tai oriented, others more nin, so they are still all have their uses, you don't have to just get itachi if you don't want to.

also note that these are the Starting stats and do not include the 40 stats points that you get when you first select an FN on whatever difficulty you are on.

one last thing, a quick example (using itachi) for the exact process I used:

For itachi: his base stats are 3 TAI 17 NIN and his abilities add 13 TAI and 81 NIN so... 16 TAI and 98 NIN, which is 57 avg. atk, but amaterasu also has +3 ATK, so, 60 avg. atk. at lvl 1 (if you have the 200,400 & 800 abilities)

all FN gain 7 stat points/lvl so that is 3.5 avg atk increase/lvl. 3.5x9= 31.5 (round up to 32) so lvl 10 is 92 avg. atk

from lvl 10 and up it is plus 35 avg. atk/ for every 10lvls, because we are going up 10 lvls and not just 9.


ok, so let me know if this helps anyone and before you ask, yes, sometimes I have insomnia :P

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Old 10-18-2009, 05:42 AM   #2
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ah awesome, i'm not far away from getting my first FN i'll decide based on this. ty m8
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Old 10-18-2009, 08:07 AM   #3
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ah awesome, i'm not far away from getting my first FN i'll decide based on this. ty m8
Nice one. Maybe you should note other notable things that increase the FNs power/defense capabilities like Tsunades and Kimimaros 10% Tai immunity.
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:16 AM   #4
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there are certainly things like reroll and Elemental Adv. or Tai immunity that could be added... basically the full list of of all stats, not just the ones concerning attack. I might add those later, but I was trying to keep it simple at first and just look at avg. atk, which is what most ppl look at anyway.

like my bro' Ahlvin says, it's about powah! ...or somthing like that

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Old 10-25-2009, 10:02 AM   #5
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:D <3
Wonderfull guide, sadly enough that I missread it all on the forum >.<
And yah - It´s all about POWAH!

But isn't killing those lvl 100 ninjas powah too? x) (Not meaning to be a pain here, but just sayin' )
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Old 10-25-2009, 12:18 PM   #6
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I wouldn't count 200's. Everyone will replace them with Fresh Soldier Pill or Robust Nunchaku or a LW.
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Old 10-25-2009, 01:48 PM   #7
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Cool i am new here and I was wondering, how and when do you get your second forbidden ninja, I am on the otherworld part. And how do you get the jounin and kage FN?
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Old 10-25-2009, 02:20 PM   #8
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remove the 200 ryo abilis please and leave one slot open ^^
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:38 PM   #9
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All the FNs have identical growth rates, so their gaps in damage remain the same at every level. That said, here's the list KaiKai was looking for (and what I use).
All ninjas are level 1, with 800 and 400 equipped. Traits are listed the line down, followed by the 200 in parenthesis if it has at least something to make it worth using.

Sorted highest to lowest damage in this format:

Ninja: DMG dmg, STA sta, RES res
---Traits (optional 200 damage)

For calculating your ninja at a given level add the following values:
11: 35 dmg, 13 stamina/resist
21: 70 dmg, 26 stamina/resist
31: 105 dmg, 39 stamina/resist
41: 140 dmg, 52 stamina/resist
51: 175 dmg, 65 stamina/resist

The Ninja

Itachi: 55 dmg, 44 sta, 10 res

Rock Lee: 47 dmg, 51 sta, 35 res

Neji: 44 dmg, 50 sta, 48 res

Kimimaro: 44 dmg, 36 sta, 50 res
--10% tai imm

Sakura: 42 dmg, 43 sta, 40 res
---27 elem adv

Haku: 42 dmg, 39 sta, 34 res
---extra wind/water damage and water advantage

Orochimaru: 42 dmg, 50 sta, 20 res
---6% reroll

Naruto: 40 dmg, 46 sta, 38 res
---31 elem adv, 12 wind dmg

Tsunade: 39 dmg, 56 sta, 56 res
---10% tai imm

Sasuke: 39 dmg, 42 sta, 20 res
---21 lightning dmg

Yondaime: 38 dmg, 33 sta, 20 res
---15% death (+2 dmg, +7% tai imm)

Jiraiya: 37 dmg, 50 sta, 20 res
---10% reroll, -5 enemy attack

Sasori: 36 dmg, 67 sta, 20 res
---17 elem damage, 30 elem adv

Gaara: 34 dmg, 56 sta, 32 res
---17 elem dmg, 7% reroll



Of particular note:

Level 25 + Fresh Soldier Pill is 71 stamina, meaning every FNG will be 100+ stamina with a FSP.

Level 25 alone is 31 stamina, meaning (unless his name is Sasori) your FNG can't get 90+ stamina on beginner without over-leveling. However, level 31 numbers fit for completing Easy, which means any 51+ stamina FN can reach 90+ stamina and still have an equip slot free (for +15 damage).

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Old 10-26-2009, 04:42 AM   #10
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thanks for doing that wyldmage!

looks like essencially the same order... the middle is a little swapped around but they were all pretty close anyway, plus now you have reroll and immune stats which help ppl with choices.
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Old 11-17-2009, 04:38 AM   #11
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super mucho spare time so i did jounin also along wyldmage's set-up

New calc for different growth rates
11: 40 dmg, 13 stamina/resist
21: 80 dmg, 26 stamina/resist
31: 120 dmg, 39 stamina/resist
41: 160 dmg, 52 stamina/resist
51: 200 dmg, 65 stamina/resist

THE JOUNIN

Itachi 79 dmg 49 sta 15 res

Kabuto 69.5 dmg 45 sta 44 res

Kurenai 67.5 dmg 25 sta 37 res

Zabuza 67 dmg 45 sta 25 res

Asuma 62 dmg 49 sta 60 res

Kisame 59.5 dmg 57 sta 25 res

Kakashi 57.5 dmg 42 sta 44 res

Anko 45.5 dmg 25 sta 25 res

i bolded the damage on the highest high seal and highest low seal

hopefully with this added information it'll make it into the guide section so i can find it easily >.>
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