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Old 06-13-2010, 10:04 AM   #21
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call me a noob or whatever i dont care.maybe i dont have enough knowledge but i just shared my little knowledge
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:53 PM   #22
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Stop insulting each other please.
I think it is needed to make summon similar to katsu, but with tai immu - it could be +5nin +1tai immu, so it will not be like nin-kame.
I think changing nin-kame is not a good idea, because many teams have it already and scale with it chakra cost.
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Old 06-17-2010, 04:47 PM   #23
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Yes get back to the topic but seems like udon wont change gamabunta :'(
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Old 06-18-2010, 03:39 AM   #24
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Probably he will do it , but this is no top priority now.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:25 AM   #25
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BUMP

Now with the frog summons, Gamabunta is even ore useless than before, he needs a good powering up ASAP, why should the Frog Boss be the weakest out of the lot?
Ive got multiple ideas about this:

Tai + 5 - Tai Imm +1
Tai + 6 - Fire Damage + 5
Tai + 8 - Endurance - 3
Tai + 5 - Endurance + 4
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:37 AM   #26
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Just nerf the other frogs ;o
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:43 AM   #27
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most of the ohter frogs are FS's therefore supposed to be OP'ed arnt they?
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:51 AM   #28
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How about Tai +1337 - Ecchi +9001?

You need Tai in order for your... right hand... to work with ecchiness!
...uhh... Ok serious mode on:

Gama should be at Katsuyu and Manda's level... Katsuyu has a total of 3 AV (5 tai = 2.5 + 1 Nin Imm = 0.5)

and Manda has 3.1 (4 Atk - 2 ResDown(0.3) - 2 StaDown(0.6))

Gama has currently 3 As well (4 Tai(2) + FireDmg(1))

So techincally in terms of AV, they are equally strong (manda with 0.1 more but w/e)
But, again, he should stay at Katsuyu and Manda's Level.
if you really want a change, how about this?

4 Tai/3 Sta (2.9 AV)

5 Tai/1 Tai Imm (3 AV)

3 Tai/1 CritDmg/1 CritChance (3 AV)

4 Tai/2 FireDmg/2 EarthDmg (3 AV)

9 Tai/5 StaDown (3 AV)

6 Tai/3 End/5 StaDown/10 ResDown (3 AV ; Yes, I know this one is REALLY totally off the balls in terms of weirdness.)
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:55 AM   #29
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No damn AV counting here, just stop it right now.


And the frog summons aren't any forbidden summons. Those don't exist. They're just regular summons except that their balancing was fucked up.
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:07 AM   #30
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I don't think the balancing was fucked up since they were meant to be FM summons :/

But... udon could also just put different stats on each difficulty, right? To make them more balanced? or that will just fuck up the coding more?
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Old 08-21-2011, 10:20 AM   #31
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Could Gama just give nin and ele advantage?Would it be a decent counter to Manda? Which in turn "kills" Kats, who would screw Gama. Kinda like a rock paper scissors thing.
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Old 08-21-2011, 11:20 AM   #32
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It goes under the name of "FM" summon but it's still there for all difficulties, which is severely off balance. Just like all the FM LW's, they still affect the rest of the game.
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